younger woman

Since my last post I have been back to Wales a few times and seen new women. I have seen Samantha at Dollys in Queensferry and Brooke and Jade at Temptations in Flint. Samantha is an old woman but nice. Brooke and Jade are younger and tried hard to make me happy.

Each of these I have seen once. I have told you about Naomi and Leila at Temptations and Candy at Dollys. I have seen these three several times throughout the summer and autumn. I liked them all. I also saw Nicole once at Temptations.

I don't think I will be going back to Wales though. Something happened to me recently. I phoned Rock Ferry Thai Massage and was told that they have two new young women working there. I wanted to see them, usually they have older women there.

I had a choice of two young women when I went there on Friday. The one I chose was called Soda, or something like that. In the room I asked her how old she is. She said twenty eight and asked me how old I thought she looked. I said eighteen. If she had told me she was eighteen I would have believed her.

Soda has a pretty face and a lovely figure with medium size breasts. Her hair is dark brown and she has a couple of small tattoos on her legs. She is of medium height.

I used to think that my ideal woman is about 40 and a bit plump. That was before I met Soda. I think she is every man's dream. She is my dream now too.

Some people will say that when a man visits a sex worker he has preconceptions about he will like. These preconceptions may come from pornography. He may select the sort of woman that he has seen in porn and want to perform particular acts.

That may be true of many men but not with me. There are many young women in porn of course but older women too. Slender women and also plumper. In the room with Soda any preconceptions I had were changed. I didn't think I would enjoy being with a younger woman but being with Soda changed that.

I enjoyed my half hour with Soda so much that I came back the next day and paid £100 for an hour with her. It had to be yesterday because she will be working in Blackpool next week. It will be at 23 Cookson Street.

My first time with Soda I had no problem getting an erection. She let me use one of my thin condoms and I came quite quickly. That is because I found her so attractive. After I came it didn't take long before I got an erection again. She told me that if I had stayed for an hour I could have come twice.

So yesterday I had sex with her again, had an orgasm, then got another erection soon after. I shagged her again but wasn't able to come a second time. That's not surprising - I have never had two orgasms within one hour, not even when I was young.

We did a wider range of things yesterday. She has two sex toys. One of them is a clitoral stimulator. The other seems to be like the lovense toy. It has something resembling a flower at one end and she held it against her pussy. She was really enjoying it and had an orgasm. Some of the time I had two fingers in her vagina.

I would call her an enthusiastic amateur. She told me she lives in the south of England but has come up north to work with her friend. She doesn't usually do anything except massage and she said she will return to that.

Yesterday she was tired and hungry. She said that she had been with her friend to a casino in Blackpool the night before. She told me it was good, she had won some money. I hope that things work out for her. I wish I had met someone like her when I was eighteen.

seen in window of new Thai massage place in Chester

sexy Wales

For a lot of the summer I was going to Wales every Tuesday. I went to a brothel in Flint called Temptations where I saw Naomi. She told me that her usual day is Tuesday. She's very nice so I thought that I can see other women that day but she'll be there if I want her.

I had seen her years before. Some Tuesdays she wasn't there and I saw Leila instead. In many ways I prefer Leila. Another one I saw is Nicole. Leila and Nicole are friends and they drive from Manchester or somewhere to work in this brothel in Wales.

I liked Nicole, but she's not very attractive. She looks like someone out of a Beryl Cook painting. She wanked herself to orgasm while I put two fingers in her vagina. Just like Marina in Amsterdam earlier this year. None of these women are young, with Nicole looking the oldest.

Naomi and Leila are very talkative. Naomi told me that young women aren't so attracted to working in a brothel. That is the reason brothels are dying out. I had a very interesting conversation with Leila about the woman who ran the Sandy's Superstars brothels in Manchester - Sandra Hankin. She said that Sandra was prosecuted because she didn't pay taxes on her earnings, although I'm not sure if it is possible for people like her to pay taxes in the normal way.

So it got me thinking that maybe there are fewer brothels now because young women don't want to work in brothels. It's not that the police have closed them down. Young women usually prefer to work from a flat and advertise online. I thought they do that because it is illegal for them to work together. They avoid the possibility of arrest.

There are advantages to women working together, either in a brothel or in a less formal arrangement. Safety, for example. Perhaps they feel safe enough working on their own. Although I think they often have someone else there in the flat with them.

I have also been going to another brothel in Wales, Dolly's in Queensferry. I saw Candy there. I thought that I might have seen her before. The next time I saw her I said were you Lucy at The Office in Ellesmere Port. She was amazed that I could remember her as it was years ago. Candy is very raunchy. She likes to snog and laughs a lot.

I had a little joke with her that I had first seen her years ago in the street near to a brothel in New Ferry. I wondered if she was a prostitute so I followed her back to the brothel. When I saw her going in then I knew she was one. Candy said she had worked at that brothel.

I have seen Candy six times this year, Naomi twice, Leila three times and Nicole once. What I like about both of these brothels is that they charge £50 pounds per half hour. Rock Ferry Thai Massage charges £60 per half hour. You can get it even cheaper if you pay for 20 minutes instead of half an hour. At Temptations I give £20 to the 'maid' and the rest to the woman. I usually pay her an extra £10 for oral sex without a condom.

There is a café in Flint called Temptations, I don't know if that ever causes confusion.

I often go to Chester and I have found that it is easy to get to Queensferry or Flint from there. The 11 bus is my favourite. I don't just use it to go to brothels. I have now walked between Flint and Greenfield Dock along the western side of the Dee estuary. If I see a beluga on the way that is an added bonus.

The phone number for Temptations is 07749231388 and for Dollys it is 01244831664.

feminism pornography and prostitution

People who have read this blog will know that I have a problem not with feminism itself but with a particular type of feminism: Radical Feminism or Revolutionary Feminism. I don't accept the beliefs of Catharine MacKinnon, Andrea Dworkin, Sheila Jeffreys and Julie Bindel. Especially when it comes to prostitution and pornography.

I was looking through the feminism section in a library and I came across two books by feminist authors that interested me greatly. They don't like MacKinnon and Dworkin either. The books are Feminism (A Very Short Introduction) by Margaret Walters and Difficult Women (A History of Feminism in 11 Fights) by Helen Lewis.

Before I quote from both books I want to point out that although MacKinnon and Dworkin don't seem to have changed their native America much, they are responsible for a big change in Sweden. According to Prohibiting sex purchasing and ending trafficking: the Swedish prostitution law by Max Waltman they are responsible for the law there that criminalises men like me.

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Feminism by Margaret Walters page 115

Unfortunately, this legitimate, urgently necessary insistence that rape is, indeed, a serious and violent crime, was distorted by some later feminists. For another American, Catherine MacKinnon, woman is always, indeed almost by definition, a victim. 'To be about to be raped is to be gender female in the process of going about life as usual', she insists.

You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs. When you are older, your husband ties you to a bed and drips hot wax on your nipples and brings in other men to watch and makes you suck his penis ... In this thousand years of silence, the camera is invented and pictures are made of you while these things are being done ...

Her friend Andrea Dworkin argued that 'pornography is the law for women', and flatly, without any qualification, equated rape and sexual intercourse. As, indeed, did MacKinnon, who from the opening paragraph of Only Words (1995) offers a terrible paradigm of what she sees as female experience: a primal paternal rape that freezes us in a state of permanent terror. She constantly evokes the image of a once-violated child who can never grow up, who, she insists, lives on in most women, even those who claim to enjoy consensual sex: 'the aggressor gets an erection; the victim screams and struggles and bleeds and blisters and becomes five years old'. This is melodrama masquerading as feminism.

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Difficult Women by Helen Lewis page 312

It is a mistake for 'gender critical' feminists, who question aspects of transgender ideology, to form alliances with right-wing Christian fundamentalists in the US who believe that changing your legal gender should not be permitted. A similar error was made by anti-porn feminists in the 1980s, whose efforts to point out the misogyny of the porn industry and its products were co-opted by religious conservatives into a broader reactionary agenda.* One shared goal does not cancel out such a fundamental divergence in world view.

*'In 1984 antiporn legislation devised by Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon, defining pornography as a violation of women's civil rights, was introduced in the Indianapolis city council by an anti-ERA [equal rights amendment] activist, passed with the support of the right, and signed into law by the Republican mayor, William Hudnut,' reported the Atlantic in 1992.

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page 185

Like Pizzey, though, Bindel has found herself at odds with the rest of the feminist movement. She is on the unfashionable side of two of the most divisive and heated subjects in modern feminism: transgender issues and prostitution. She believes that the latter is violence against women, and that sex-buyers should be prosecuted. The current generation of student activists take a more liberal position, stressing individual choice and agency. They argue that decriminalising both sellers and buyers would make the transaction safer.

my day trip to Blackpool

I had been intending to return to Blackpool and I did so on Friday. It was perfect weather for a seaside trip, sunny but not hot. I wrote about the funny little Red Light District in Blackpool, quite near the train station. I notice that it has gone downhill since I was there a couple of years ago. All of the ones in Cookson street seem to be closed now apart from Natalie's and the Thai one at number 23.

It can't be that the police have closed them because then they would all have closed. It must be that either there is less sex work or that it has shifted more from brothels to flats. You would think that women would prefer to work with each other than alone. It could be though that they don't like the brothel taking a cut of the money that they earn. It's a pity that women can't choose to run a place like this for themselves, making the rules for themselves and keeping the profits for themselves.

The Thai brothel is somewhere I wanted to visit. It is run by the same Thai woman who runs the nearest brothel to me, Rock Ferry Thai Massage. She also runs a brothel in Manchester. There is a flat in Southport where some of the same women turn up. From the outside 23 Cookson Street doesn't look nice, it looks a bit run down like the whole area. So I was surprised when I went in. They have done it up to look like the best Thai massage places.

Perhaps there are men who go there who don't realise that they can have full sex with their masseuse. Perhaps some of them are hoping for hand relief. When I went in I asked how many women there are there. There were two. I asked to see both of them. One of them was Nadia, who I have seen before in Rock Ferry. She told me there that she lived in Fulham and worked in Mayfair. I chose the other one though, Jessica.

I would guess that Jessica is about 40. She has long hair and is a bit plump. She has large well-shaped breasts. The best thing about Jessica is that she laughs a lot and is just good fun. I paid £60 and I had a very enjoyable time on top of her. Just the thing you want on a day trip to the seaside. I was using her standard condom but I managed to orgasm easily. I asked her if she would like to contact me when she starts work at Rock Ferry. I told her I would go to see her there. I wrote down my phone number.

Before I left this area to go to the sea front I had a good look round. I tried the door of the Babylon brothel where I had been a couple of years ago, just to see if it really was closed. It was. I hadn't been happy with my experiences in this area, it was overpriced with a poor service. But I got a very good service at number 23 and paid no more than my usual £60.

In one of the side streets is a Thai massage place. Perhaps it is one of those 'legitimate' Thai places where there is no sex, just massage. Or they may just do hand relief. It could be somewhere they have full sex though. There is another Thai place in King Street where there is definitely full sex. I went into their doorway and a short Thai woman came out. I asked her if it was full service and she said yes. I asked her how many women there were there and she said just one. Probably her, I thought. Nothing to tempt me there.

my trip to Amsterdam

I have been to Amsterdam twice this year. I didn't go just to see sex workers. I also went to try cannabis for the first time. You might think that it would be easy enough to try cannabis without going abroad. I try to avoid doing anything illegal though. I often lack the good sense to avoid difficulties, which indeed happened both with the sex workers and the cannabis.

I walked around the Red Light District in Amsterdam for a while before I chose the first sex worker to see. She just happened to be one of the few or maybe the only one who offers sex with or without a condom. She asked me if I wanted to use a condom and - foolishly - I said no. If I had known this might happen I would have taken PrEP. I had some back in England but it didn't occur to me that this might happen.

I had sex with her three times on my first trip to Amsterdam and three times on my second trip. At least the second time I brought my PrEP with me. The first trip was about two months ago; I have had an HIV test and I am HIV negative.

The first time I had sex with this woman I waited a couple of hours and then I went back and had sex with her again. Both times without a condom. The second time was about 5 pm and I decided it was the right time to try cannabis for the first time. I went to one of the 'coffee shops' and bought a spliff of the mildest cannabis that they had available.

It didn't have the effect on me that I expected. I was expecting it to make me feel hungry then sleepy. I was hoping to get a really good night's sleep. It made me feel really hot and thirsty though. It was a bit like being drunk. I had to get home but I wasn't able to read the map. My hotel was an hours walk from the centre of Amsterdam. I managed it by recognizing landmarks.

The second time I smoked cannabis was on my second trip to Amsterdam. I bought a spliff but waited till I was back at my hotel. There was a no smoking rule at the hotel, so I smoked it outside. The next day I bought a cannabis brownie and ate it in my hotel room. It didn't make me hungry or sleepy. I felt rough the next day and didn't get up till after 2 pm. I won't be doing that again.

I had sex with other women too. There are three Red Light Districts in Amsterdam. All of them have the windows where women stand or sit in their bikinis. The main one is in the centre of Amsterdam and is called De Wallen. There is another not far away near to the Singel canal. Most of the windows here are in Oude Nieuwstraat.

I chose Marina, who is a middle-aged woman from Brazil. There are many young slender tall women in Amsterdam but I didn't choose them. I gave all of them a good look though. Marina wanted me to put my fingers in her pussy while she wanked herself. I was happy to do this and I shagged her too.

I like latina women and I had sex with two others apart from Marina. Both seemed a bit younger than Marina and very sexy. The first one was in De Wallen at the end of a street called Bloedstraat. She told me her name and where she came from but I can't remember. Her name was something like Marietta and she came from either Colombia or Venezuela. She was wonderful.

The third Red Light District is in an area called De Pijp. I had sex with another latina there. It was at the end of a street called Govert Flinckstraat. She was wonderful too, they certainly know how to make a man happy. This one talked me into giving her €60, but all the other women charged €50. Even the woman who I had sex with without a condom didn't charge extra (she also let me snog and finger her; I think 'enthusiastic amateur' is the best description). I don't know how long I spent with each one, it seemed to be about 20 minutes.

Another two other women I had sex with were both in Oude Nieuwstraat. One was Dutch, the other Mexican. Both were interesting experiences but not as good as with the other ones.

I didn't stay in De Wallen after about 7 pm, so I can't tell you what it is like late at night. 

One evening I was walking along Barndesteeg. The door to one of the window flats was open and a young woman was hanging out of it. She seemed very friendly but looked a bit strange. I wondered if she was on drugs. I passed by and looked into another window. There was a young woman sitting looking at her mobile. She was wearing a mask. A domino mask. She got up and came towards me. Then I heard her shouting something and maybe some banging too.

I wondered what was going on. There were some people behind me and I thought maybe one of them had tried to take a photograph. They don't like that, it is not allowed. I considered that maybe she had privacy issues - she didn't like the way I looked at her. Women often don't like the way that I look at them, it is perhaps too intense.

The young slender tall women didn't seem to mind me looking at them. I saw one, the most beautiful, standing in the doorway in her bikini. She was taller than most too. I asked her how much and I think she said €100. I think some of them charge €150.

The only younger one that I might have gone with was a really cute one who smiled encouragingly from her window. She was in Monnikenstraat. The other woman who was very encouraging was a woman sitting in lingire in a window up some steps. She saw me looking at her and opened her stockinged legs then closed them. I tried to find her on my second trip but she wasn't there.

The last woman who made an impression on me was a young woman I think in Boomsteeg. She wasn't trying to be sexy. She didn't have loads of makeup on. She was just a young beautiful blonde woman. Perhaps she wondered why I was staring at her but she didn't seem to mind. I wonder if she realises how much happiness she has brought to so many men.

I saw this at the airport

am I being censored?

I just noticed today that many of my posts and one of my pages have been removed from this blog. I will try to rectify this but in the meantime be aware that many of my posts and pages could disappear over the next few days. Anyone who can give me advice on this feel free to comment.

These posts are valuable. The post about the Soho 'maid' Wendy - for example - is about of Soho history. My post about nostalgia for Liverpool and Soho is about Liverpool and Soho history. The information is not found anywhere else. I don't understand why they are violating 'Community Guidelines'.

which way for Britain?

I used to think that the Nordic Model might come to Britain. It already has in Northern Ireland. Recently though it seems that we are moving the other way. Julie Bindel is worried that this might be happening. She wrote an article in December subtitled 'Young Left-wing MPs ignore the exploitative reality'.

In this article she criticises a number of women politicians for speaking in favour of decriminalisation. Nadia Whittome, Dawn Butler, Charlotte Nichols and Zarah Sultana from Labour. Caroline Lucas and Natalie Bennett from the Green Party.

About Nadia Whittome: "She was delighted when feminists lost their fight to put a cap on lap dance clubs in Bristol, despite evidence that men outside the clubs sexually harass women on their way home".

Julie Bindel doesn't give a link to this 'evidence' although she gives links to other things. If you follow the links though they never seem to support the points she makes.

Caroline Lucas used to support the Nordic model but changed her mind after talking to Paris Lees. One link given in this paragraph doesn't have anything to do with Caroline's ideas about prostitution though. It is a link to a debate where Caroline was present but didn't speak.

Another link is intended to support her assertion that 'the psychological damage as a result of prostitution is well documented'. The link is to a study titled 'Posttraumatic stress disorder among female street-based sex workers in the greater Sydney area, Australia'. It is not about sex workers in general, it is only to do with women who are drug addicts and street-based sex workers. They are a minority of sex workers and their psychological damage is as much to do with drug addiction and homelessness as it is to do with street prostitution.

Julie Bindel states that in New Zealand HIV and rape are thought of as "industrial injury".She links to a document called 'A Guide to Occupational Health and Safety in the New Zealand Sex Industry'. The version she links to  is not a seachable version but I found one here. The word "industrial" is not found anywhere in the text. The document is meant to help women avoid harm, it doesn't say that sex workers have to accept harm as a necessary part of what they do.

There can be a sex industry where harm is minimised or a sex industry where harm is not minimised. What is not possible is to have a society without a sex industry. You can try to ban it but it will not work. It hasn't worked in any Nordic Model country.

She believes that legalisation increases trafficking and the sexual exploitation of children. She links to a study done by the London School of Economics. The study however has nothing to say about the exploitation of children. The study says that the more prostitution there is in a country the more trafficking there will be. It doesn't seem to distinguish between women who are coerced and women whose motivation is to make more money.

Some countries have more prostitutes and therefore more trafficking. The study establishes that the amount of prostitution and trafficking increased in Germany. It does not establish that the amount of prostitution and trafficking increased in Denmark or decreased in Sweden. Germany, Denmark and Sweden were the three countries studied in some detail. It says nothing about New Zealand, which is the only country to have had decriminalisation in place for a number of years, where we know there has been no increase in the amount of prostitution.

Denmark has more prostitution than Sweden, but there is no evidence that this is because of the difference in the laws. So that cannot be used to say that there is more prostitution and trafficking because of differences in law. It can even less be said that legalisation causes an increase in prostitution and trafficking ('legalisation of the sex trade increases both' in Bindel's words), and the study does not say that. We know that did happen in Germany, but we already know that what is happening in Germany is not the right way to go.

Bindel writes that "The commercial sexual exploitation of children is rife, for example, the buying and selling of Albanian refugee children in Kent". The article she links to does not say that though. It says that Albanian children have gone missing. It doesn't say anything about them being bought and sold, or even sexual exploitation.

"Tina sold sex from high-end London hotels for years and was forced to sleep in handcuffs every night." I don't know where this comes from. The Space International site she links to in this paragraph has nothing about Tina or handcuffs. It has testimony from 'women who have escaped' but I can't find a Tina. Rachel Moran doesn't mention anyone being forced to sleep in handcuffs every night in her book.

There are horror stories and they want us to believe that they are typical of the sex industry.*

Nadia Whittome gets another mention in an article that suggests there has been a big change in the attitudes of the police towards brothel keeping. The police closed many brothels in the 2010s.

"Commenting on the police officer's remarks, Nadia Whittome, Labour MP for Nottingham East, told The Independent: Right now, too many sex workers work alone for fear of prosecution, increasing the risks they face.

Changing the law on brothel keeping so that sex workers could work from the same premise would be an important step in the right direction."

Christine Jardine, a Scottish Liberal Democrat, agrees with Nadia Whittome. So it looks as if Julie Bindel will have to add Christine Jardine to her list of female MPs who she despises, along with Nadia Whittome, Dawn Butler, Charlotte Nichols, Zarah Sultana, Caroline Lucas and Natalie Bennett. She will have to add the Liberal Democratic party to the Labour and Green Party. That seems to leave just the Conservatives left for her.

It's not that Whittome et al ignore the exploitative reality. Bindel and people like her have failed to convince them. Most prostitutes don't get PTSD. Decriminalisation doesn't increase the amount of prostitution, trafficking or the sexual exploitation of children. It's not surprising that people think that Julie Bindel and her Evangelical allies are pearl-clutchers.

What is Julie Bindel's real motivation? Does she really believe that women need to be freed from handcuffs? Or, as a political lesbian, does she think that women shouldn't be having sex with men anyway? Does she think that she can stop some women having sex with some men, which is some way towards her ideal society?

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* The worst horror story that I know of - and a real one - is that of the the four Gonzalez Valenzuela sisters. It's quite interesting but not relevant - it comes from 1940s Mexico. They were the perpetrators, not the victims.

the victims of the Gonzalez Valenzuela sisters

the reality of trafficking

Recently I participated in an internet forum about prostitution (ukpunting.com) where a thread was entitled 'Trafficking'. The man who started the thread began with "Should we report suspected trafficking to the police? Is that a moral dilemma for punters? How do you define it?".

What surprised me was the level of ignorance of most of the other contributors. They really do seem to be confused about the issue. This confusion has led to a great deal of harm to women.

I tried to explain that you have to be very careful what you report to the police. It can result in arrest and deportation for the women concerned. There were two different responses to that. One was to say that they don't believe that women will be deported. If the police don't find evidence of abuse they will leave the women alone. The other was that if they are deported it will be because they shouldn't be in this country anyway. So what's the problem?

Both responses are ignorant, but the second is also callous. When the police find women from abroad they will deport them when they can. There is lots of evidence that this is happening. When Britain was part of the EU women from Romania (for example) were entitled to live in Britain. They were deported anyway. So it's not just people who shouldn't be in this country anyway.

I'm not sure what the situation is now that we have left the EU. What I expect is that women on tourist or student visas will be deported even if they haven't overstayed.

On page 80 of Revolting Prostitutes by Juno Mac and Molly Smith they say this:-

"Police Scotland put out a press release noting that they had refused entry at the border to more than a hundred people as part of their anti-trafficking work - offering as an example a Romanian woman who had 'previously worked as a prostitute in Glasgow'. The BBC reports, 'She was refused admission at Glasgow in May 2017, then again at Liverpool in July 2017 and was encountered recently at Belfast docks attempting to get to Scotland. She was removed to Romania."

They go on to write about another Romanian woman whose sex worker colleague was murdered in her presence. The police 'deported her while claiming a humanitarian anti-trafficking mantle'.

This also happens in Nordic Model countries where they (wrongly) say that women have been decriminalised. On the Nordic Model Now! site Luba Fein writes in the Has the Nordic Model worked? What does the research say? page about Nordic Model countries:-

"While there is no clear evidence that the police are violent towards those engaged in prostitution, they do tend to target undocumented migrants and report them to the immigration authorities for potential deportation. Clearly this is unacceptable and states need to provide better support and assistance to foreign nationals who have been used and abused in the sex trade within their territory."

Most people who support the Nordic Model seem to think that prostitution should be eliminated by any means necessary. They don't care about the women who are harmed. However, Luba Fein believes that it is clearly unacceptable to deport prostitutes.

So even she - a Nordic Model supporter - has compassion for deported women. It surprised me when so many people on the forum didn't have this compassion. It is also a contradictory attitude to have. You want to report a brothel to the police because you think that coercion might have occurred - presumably out of compassion for the women there. Yet if the result of your actions is for women to be deported then you say it doesn't really matter.

You have to question people's true motives. Someone says he wants to free women yet if he knew that the women had not been coerced or deceived but had been deported he says he doesn't care. It sounds like the real motivation is dislike of immigrants.

If you ask what proportion of Brazilian or Chinese nationals working as prostitutes in Britain are trafficked, the answer has to be nearly all of them. They are trafficked because someone will have organised their flight, organised their accommodation, and organized their customers. It's very unlikely that someone who doesn't speak good English will be able to organize themselves.

If you ask what proportion of Brazilian or Chinese nationals working as prostitutes in Britain are coerced or deceived, the answer has to be hardly any. There are many reasons why we know this. You can read what investigative journalist Nick Davies has written in his article Inquiry Fails to Find Single Trafficker Who Forced Anybody Into Prostitution. Read what Emily Kenway has written in her book The Truth About Modern Slavery.

Section 14 of the Policing and Crime Act 2009 says that a man who pays for sex with a woman who has been coerced or deceived is committing a crime, even if he didn't know that. 81% of police forces in England and Wales have never used it. The remaining ones seem to be using it for something other than for what it was intended.

It is clear that trafficking and coercion are two different things. Most non-European prostitutes will have been trafficked, and few will have been coerced. People don't seem to be able to distinguish between these two things. They say they will report their suspicions to the police, and if later there are prosecutions for trafficking they feel vindicated.

If a man decides to make money by recruiting women from Brazil for prostitution, he may feel that because they don't have bruises and don't look miserable then nobody can accuse him of trafficking. He will be prosecuted though, and they will be deported.

I was asked on the thread what I would do. I wrote that there should be welfare officers independent of the police. People could give information to them, and the welfare officers could pass on to the police information if they thought that it was in the interests of the women.

I was then told that there are already people like this. There are Dedicated Liaison Officers or Sex Work Liaison Officers. These however are not independent of the police. It doesn't seem that they can be can be contacted by members of the public. That's not what they are for.

I wrote that instead of the police deporting any woman that they can, it would be better if the police or a welfare officer interviewed them. First to find out if they have been coerced or deceived. If, as is usually the case, they haven't then each woman should be asked why she came to Britain. If she says that she wants to stay 3 months, earn £20,000, then go back to China to start her own small business then she should be told she won't be deported if she's out of the country in 3 months time.

She should be told that if she's not out of the country by then she will be found and deported. She will have a black mark against her name because the Chinese government keeps tabs on all its citizens. She may find it difficult to get a job or the sort of job that she would like, and may have problems with custody of her children. That's why I would hesitate to report a brothel to the police, I wouldn't want that on my conscience.

I tried to tell them about the Palermo Protocol but they weren't interested. The Palermo Protocol defines trafficking and was adopted by the UN in 2000. It says that trafficking has to include coercion or deception if the person is over 18. If there is no coercion or deception then it isn't trafficking. That definition was changed in the US and UK. Under UK law now it doesn't have to include coercion or deception. This is where the confusion comes in.

As Nick Davies wrote a while ago in The Guardian:-

"And, from the outset, that word was a problem. On a strict definition, eventually expressed in international law by the 2000 Palermo protocol, sex trafficking involves the use of force, fraud or coercion to transport an unwilling victim into sexual exploitation. This image of sex slavery soon provoked real public anxiety.

But a much looser definition, subsequently adopted by the UK's 2003 Sexual Offences Act, uses the word to describe the movement of all sex workers, including willing professionals who are simply travelling in search of a better income. This wider meaning has injected public debate with confusion and disproportionate anxiety."

I was accused of trying to confuse people. People like me try to confuse people about trafficking. I replied that there are people who want to confuse, people whose interests are served by confusing the issue. I said who these people are. Christian Evangelicals and Radical Feminists in the UK and US. They didn't believe that.

Instead I was told that it is 'UK pro-decriminalisation advocates' who are trying to confuse people. Someone suggested that I am a pimp. That could be the only reason in his mind why I would be reluctant to help the police to raid brothels. I told him that pimps aren't going to support decriminalisation if they understand the issue because in New Zealand pimps have gone out of business. There are far fewer pimps in New Zealand now than before decriminalisation.

It is true that New Zealand has its problems with migrants. I have explained this in a recent post. It's because of section 19 of the PRA which those who campaigned for decriminalisation never wanted and are trying to remove.

Then I was accused of being political even though it wasn't me who raised the issue of decriminalisation. Now I have been banned. That doesn't bother me because there's no point in having a forum if people don't understand how to have a discussion.